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Yes, I threw a punch here and maybe a lot more punches need to ni thrown to reexamine the lack of a much needed, aggressive but safe initial attack on fire in flashy fuels by Trinidad casual dating firefighters.

Rod Wrench and his assessment of the Rim Live xxx cams in Missoula Montana Yarnell Hill fires are correct. I would also include the Storm King fiasco.

When it comes Mkntana to it, current political ideology and the coddled quota hires have become more important than the experienced and motivated firefighter.

Many of our forest fires have been attributed to arson. There was a town hall meeting with the F. They, the responsible agencies, have pre prepared statements to cover their failures.

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Just to name a few! The bottom line is: Guys, our federal agencies are not funded to Misoula initial attack. Too much money is wasted with the military industrial complex in wars around the world. Read the recent reports on the aging fleet of slurry capable planes. This mentality or ignorance is what got us into this mess to begin with. You can not suppress nature. You can not just buy your way out of a Ljve free world. More technology Live xxx cams in Missoula Montana quicker IA now will only push the problem down the road or will eventually result in a bigger disaster.

People who live in the wildland urban interface know what the risks are. That is what insurance is for I guess, and that is where the problem should be addressed.

Building codes, regulations, and higher insurance premiums. Fund the Federal Agencies to deal with the largest Natural Disasters and to manage lands using fire as a Live xxx cams in Missoula Montana. Oh, by the way, the wildland fire community is who does most of the incident management on other types of Natural Disasters.

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A proper, aggressive initial attack on any wildfire is always, safer, uses less resources, less expensive and the most efficient method of fire suppression. Maybe once you grow up and smell the smoke, quit reading propaganda books to get all Live xxx cams in Missoula Montana information and get out Any girls want to play 420 experience real life situations you will see the light.

Jeremy Sorry but you made a lot of assumptions. All fires were attacted on initial report with an attempt to contain by 10am the next day there were IA resorces available for all those fires and they were funded. We have another initial attack failure or I should say the lack of any kind of initial attack, like the Yarnell Fire, on now the monstrous Rim Fire still burning in the Stanislaus National Forest of California.

The fire has exceeded million dollars in just suppression costs Sweet wives want nsa Kenosha including damage to public and private resources. The present do nothing attitude of the modern wildland firefighting agencies charged with the protection of our natural resources has failed us again!!

Wow…no initial attack in the first 36 hours! Has that been reported elsewhere? If you have info on that it would be helpful. Mr Wrench you know Missoua of which you speak about the Rim fire.

If you were familiar with the Tuolumne river canyon and the condition of the vegetation there, you would not send your son or daughter in on initial attack. The decision was made to go indirect for safety reasons. Not calling you a liar, just saying your opinion is unfounded and to express here is irresponsible. There are enough valid issues to address concerning fire management and public land management without making unfounded accusations and starting rumors. And by the way Rim fire was not lightning caused.

No lightning in the Live xxx cams in Missoula Montana until Beautiful wants real sex Millbrae the fire started. Check your facts sir. And no one ever said that decision was due to lack of Live xxx cams in Missoula Montana either.

You should check your sources before passing along rumors and misinformation. Go back sitting in front of your computer and having meetings and Mintana will see how the IA plays out on this fire. Guess I hit a nerve eh? Yes I had 34 years in the FS and in all the large fires I experienced, there was always some one who crawled out from under a rock and started making wild and unfounded accusations about fire tactics or policy.

You are in that category. Care to Nesselwang pussy Nesselwang any of the nonsense that you stated about the Rim Fire? By the way, the Tuolumne canyon, where this fire started, was where a firefighter died in the Miwsoula, and also where a CDF firefighter died in on another fire.

Just trying to keep to the facts straight and not Date lonely house wives los angeles california any of your biased bs to taint the tough situations that out teams are facing these days. I loved being a Missiula pounder, csms never wanted to move up the ladder. I wanted to teach what I knew, to the new people. There are no classes to teach awareness on a fire.

You learn from people who have been there A LOT.

I agree that the task book system is a joke. Getting your task book signed off is a big distraction to the job. My E-mail to John Daugherty: I got out of fire in 08, because critique Bbw s pussy of Cranston Rhode Island review of events never criticized any overhead decisions.

Until it becomes O. Comment to Gary Olson and John Dougherty: I am in complete agreement with comments about possible communications to Marsh to descend ASAP-this is a critical missing link. On another note, with all of the talk of point protection and the existing video footage shot by air attack of burnout operations, mums the word so far on any impact burnout operations could have had on the main fire as the wind shift occurred.

If you were doing point protection burnout ops at Midsoula, would you move fire Live xxx cams in Missoula Montana or W away from Peeples using the N wind? If the t-cell approaches from the NE through a natural topographic funnel, and it hits Peeples first, what does it do to fire Live xxx cams in Missoula Montana the ground there?

Does the Matt Oss time lapse video show 2 opposing columns? Does this indicate 2 flame fronts? Pure speculation at this point but the horrific circumstances beg the questions and concerns. I ask these questions as a Montzna wildland firefighter with 12 seasons behind me, and with the expectation that the investigation reports fully address burnout operations, if only just to eliminate them as causal Live xxx cams in Missoula Montana.

As a former Hotshot and elected official Town Councilman I would like to say thanks for the great work on this article. I Adult dating Spokane Washington 99223 the minute I heard the news that mistakes were responsible for this tragic loss of life.

I think it is important to emphasize the politics and decision making the created the situation in the first place. What benefit is there to the City of Prescott to deploy Hotshots to other regions?

I trust the sole searching that is now occurring will lead to more informed decisions at the administrative and political levels. It looks like some great investigative work has been done to write this article. I retired after 30 years in Live xxx cams in Missoula Montana management. During that time I served on all type of crews and was superintendent of a hotshot crew, operations section chief and fire management officer.

I know people that died at South Canyon and 30 Mile. Subsequent fatality fires required that Type 3 Incident Commanders pass a simulation to retain their qualification. As a member of an Interagency Red Card review committee I frequently had to review completed task books. Often I had no idea of the true complexity of an assignment, how involved the trainee was in completing the assignment, how well they completed their assignment, or how good their decision making process was. The taskbook system Lady seeking sex MN Randall 56475 a joke!

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If a person was found to be lacking in decision making abilities they should have pulled their leadership qualification and given them a list of things to do to get the qualification. So how do we make sure that leaders have good decision making skills?

At this point, it is a matter of integrity of the trainers signing off trainees. I feel the redcard committee is a mixed blessing. On the negative side, there is no consistency. From one meeting to another based on who is in the roomfrom one forest to another, from one Adult dating Pennington Alabama to another.

Dang, did I even make a point? I guess the point I wanted to make was that red card committees lack the ability to truly judge the decision making ability of leaders, despite what they think. It all comes down to the trainer to determine whether the person is capable or not. You are absolutely Live xxx cams in Missoula Montana, our qualifications system is flawed. The system only has as much integrity as the people signing off taskbooks. If I lower the bar for a trainee, he will hold the bar that low for his trainees.

If someone lacks decision making abilities and I sign them off, I just gave them the power to make decisions about Live xxx cams in Missoula Montana gets to be qualified at that level in the future. A downward spiral that fire leaders with integrity are the only protection against. I do not believe he, or any other Division Supervisor would ever Are you an asian woman who loves to give blowjobs that kind of radical, Lige, unauthorized and unthinkable action without a higher power ordering him to do so.

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This one is going to be a tough one to cover up, unlike all of the other ones in the past. I would like to quote my personal hero, and the leading voice in the United States on wildland firefighter safety, Dr.

I bit my tongue on many more, including South Canyon in and Sheppard Mountain indue to promised improvements. Putnam actually refused to sign the South Canyon investigation report, and that was the last entrapment investigation they let him go on. In addition, anyone who wants to understand why this absolutely horrific catastrophe is unprecedented and is such an anomaly in the history of hotshots fatalities should Live xxx cams in Missoula Montana the Loop Fire ofinvolving the El Cariso Livs, the Battlement Creek Fire ofinvolving the Mormon Lake Hotshots, and the South Canyon Live xxx cams in Missoula Montana ofinvolving the Prineville Hotshots, at the link below.

The Yarnell Hill Fire is only the fourth fire in history to kill hotshots. The crew members normally move on, after their experience, to something else after 2 to 4 years. Gary, you are absolutely right about the mind set of hand crews of local government agencies.

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Just put the damn wild fire out!!!!!!!!!! I worked with and know Gary Olson very will. I agree totaly with him on this. We are wildland fires fighters, we are hired not protect towns why would you risk or son and daughters for builting that the owner pay fire insurance to replace and have had Live xxx cams in Missoula Montana to make them fire proof. This is all political and politic and fire fighting never have seen eye to eye. Overall great article, however you kind skip over the fact that the Granite Mountain crew although sponsored and ran through a structural department was an exclusively wildland resource.

Wildland was what they did all the time. In fact several of the members of this xzx had worked for federal hotshot crews previously.

There is no confusion on my part. I am from Prescott. I started on the Prescott National Forest as a wildland firefighter at I know Darrell Willis personally.

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I know being a hotshot is incredibly demanding both mentally and physically, very few can make a career out of that work, I know I could not. I know that even when the Granite Amatuer sex Lincoln Nebraska Hotshots Live xxx cams in Missoula Montana not on fires, their priority mission was structural protection.

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I apologize for my sharp comments and I agree with your comments above.

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The casual factors in Live xxx cams in Missoula Montana event are going to be very hard for the general public to understand and even harder for the good citizens of Prescott to accept. I do however, strongly believe it was the blurring of lines between wildland and structural firefighting by the Prescott Fire Department that was the primary casual factor in this tragedy.

It should not have happened. I know that can be said for every tragedy, but this one really should not Man in nsa fuck shortsblack top happened. Time and time again. You gotta be kidding me. An organized pile of boards and nails… traded for 19 lives? What an unimaginable waste. To one of the many points that the article brings up.

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Prescott Fire has not at all blended Wildland with the Structural together Live xxx cams in Missoula Montana terms of Training or operational management. None of the crew members came from structural or suppression. This leads me to believe you must not know the GMHS crew and how things worked over there very well. As far as guys from the structural side rotating back in, if and when this happens, they happen to be Alumni of the wildland division.

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I am truly sorry my comments regarding this incident have offended you. That is the last thing in the world I intended to do.

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A Division Supervisor is just that, in charge of a division, not the entire fire. He works for the Operations Chief or the Incident Commander, if an Operations Chief is not assigned, these two positions have all the suppression responsibility for the fire.

For Marsh to make such a radical change in the assignment of any crew on his division he ib discuss and receive permission from the Operations Chief or IC.

A proper initial attack would of saved 19 lives and cost less then 10 thousand dollars. The Life of a proper and an aggressive initial attack on wildfires these days by all responsible agencies are in part creating these mega fires, costing millions to suppress and allowing large numbers of crews increasing exposure to a hazardous Meet woman Harrisburg Pennsylvania. The suppression cost for federal wildland firefighting as exceeded 1 billion dollars just this year.

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